The Hidden Curriculum of Leadership: How Life Experiences Shape Who We Become as Leaders

In this episode of The Practitioner Scholar, host Dr. Jess Jones welcomes Dr. Megan Yoo Schneider, a strategy and transformation leader, executive coach, and University of Pennsylvania Chief Learning Officer doctoral graduate, to explore an often-overlooked dimension of leadership development: the experiences that shape us outside the workplace.

Organizations invest significantly in developing leaders through formal training, assessments, and professional experiences. Yet some of our most formative experiences happen outside the workplace, influencing how we see ourselves, navigate complexity, make decisions, and lead others.

Drawing on over two decades of experience in strategy, organizational transformation, and leadership development, Megan introduces the concept of the hidden curriculum of leadership—the significant life experiences that shape leader identity, perspective, and adult development. She shares insights from her doctoral research, including how leaders often draw upon non-work experiences to inform their leadership, even when they may not initially recognize their influence.

Megan also reflects on how her research became deeply personal when she received an unexpected ovarian cancer diagnosis and subsequently underwent major spinal surgery. These experiences deepened her appreciation for a central insight from her work: experience alone does not necessarily lead to development. Intentional reflection and meaning-making can help us learn, grow, and evolve through what we've lived.

Through her Learn, Create, Share framework, developed through reflection following her doctoral research, Megan offers a practical approach to translating lived experiences into greater self-awareness, intentional leadership, and meaningful impact. She and Jess also explore the growing importance of empathy, contextual judgment, and adaptive leadership as artificial intelligence continues to reshape how we work and lead.

Ultimately, this conversation invites us to consider how integrating our lived experiences into leadership development can help cultivate more thoughtful, adaptable leaders and strengthen the organizations and communities they serve.

Key Topics
  • The hidden curriculum of leadership: How experiences beyond the workplace contribute to leader identity and development.
  • Insights from doctoral research: Exploring the relationship between significant life experiences, leadership perspectives, and decision-making.
  • From experience to development: The role of intentional reflection, meaning-making, and adaptability in navigating change and uncertainty.
  • The Learn, Create, Share framework: A practical approach to integrating lived experiences into personal growth and leadership practice.
  • Authenticity and human-centered leadership: Bringing greater self-awareness and empathy into leadership while maintaining thoughtful professional boundaries.
  • Leadership in the age of AI: The importance of empathy, contextual judgment, and values-based decision-making as technology transforms organizations.

Creators and Guests

Dr. Jess Jones
Host
Dr. Jess Jones
Dr. Jess Jones is a Senior Fellow and Director of the Penn Chief Learning Officer (Penn CLO) doctoral program at the University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education. A graduate of the program herself, she previously served as its academic director of onboarding and as contributing faculty. Today she leads program strategy, the student experience, and curriculum innovation for executive doctoral learners. Her teaching and scholarship center on leadership development, psychological safety, organizational learning, and executive education. Her dissertation examined psychological safety and power dynamics in business-to-business healthcare sales, and her current research explores how people create psychologically safe environments without relying on positional authority. She has published and presented on leadership, inclusion, emotional intelligence, and organizational transformation for both academic and practitioner audiences. Dr. Jones brings more than 20 years of executive leadership and consulting experience in professional services to her work, including a role as chief operating officer of a firm's Leadership Services Division. She has guided healthcare organizations and academic medical centers across the United States through organizational transformation, leadership development, change management, and strategic growth. She is also a trained executive coach and a certified Prosci ADKAR change management practitioner.
Dr. Becca Clanton
Producer
Dr. Becca Clanton
Dr. Becca Clanton, Ed.D., is the producer of The Practitioner-Scholar: The PennCLO Podcast at the University of Pennsylvania. She brings research and practice together in conversations for today's leaders. Becca has spent nearly two decades developing leaders. In 2024, she co-founded Back to Human Partners, a human-centered learning and leadership development consultancy. She led the learning and talent development function for the Americas region at WSAudiology. She spent a decade at Huron Consulting Group, where she grew from consultant to global learning and organizational effectiveness leader. She holds an MBA from DePaul University in Change Management and a B.A. in Economics from Michigan State. In 2025, she earned her Doctor of Education in Organizational Learning and Leadership from Penn with double distinction. Her research examines how organizations can better support and retain mothers returning from maternity leave. Her writing has appeared in Chief Learning Officer. As an executive coach and consultant, she knows the questions leaders are asking, and they shape every episode she produces. Beyond work, Becca is a volunteer and community organizer who advocates for children and public education in the Twin Cities, where she lives with her husband and two daughters. Connect with her on LinkedIn or Back to Human Partners' website.
Dr. Megan Yoo Schneider
Guest
Dr. Megan Yoo Schneider
Dr. Megan Yoo Schneider is a strategy and transformation leader at Accenture, executive coach, and leadership development advisor with over two decades of experience across the public, private, and nonprofit sectors. Her work spans large-scale technology and digital transformation, executive assessment and coaching, leadership development, and organizational culture. She also serves as an elected board member of the Municipal Water District of Orange County. She earned her doctorate from the University of Pennsylvania's Chief Learning Officer program, where her research explored how significant life experiences shape leader identity and adult development.
Dr. Raghu Krishnamoorthy
Producer
Dr. Raghu Krishnamoorthy
Dr. Raghu Krishnamoorthy is a scholar-practitioner whose 40-year career spans corporate HR leadership and doctoral education. From 2022 to 2026 he was Senior Fellow and Director of the University of Pennsylvania's Chief Learning Officer (PennCLO) doctoral program. There he shaped the curriculum, led faculty and admissions, and chaired dissertations on leadership, learning, and the future of work. He has also taught at Wharton and been guest faculty at Harvard Business School, MIT Sloan, Yale, and Columbia. Before moving into academia, Raghu spent 25 years at General Electric, with HR roles in India, Hong Kong, London, and the United States. He was CHRO of GE Aviation, Chief Talent and Learning Officer at Crotonville, GE's leadership institute, and CHRO of GE Healthcare. He then became Chief Human Resources Officer of GE, leading HR for a $120 billion company with an HR organization of 4,000 people. Earlier in his career he held HR roles at American Express Bank, Modi-Xerox, and Escorts in India. His research looks at the future of work, the workplace, and the worker. His doctoral dissertation, on how leader behaviors affect employee engagement in virtual work, was awarded distinction, and his research won the Academy of Business Research's Best Paper Award in 2020. He writes often for Harvard Business Review and co-edited Leaders as Architects of Change (Routledge, 2026) with Sharon Ravitch. Raghu has advised and consulted with several organizations, including Boeing, Kraft Heinz, Tech Mahindra, Takeda, and the Tata Group. He sits on the board of IIM Ahmedabad's Ashank Desai Center for Learning and Organizational Development. He holds an Ed.D. and M.S.Ed. from Penn and an MBA from IIM Ahmedabad and was a Hubert H. Humphrey Fellow under the Fulbright program.
The Hidden Curriculum of Leadership: How Life Experiences Shape Who We Become as Leaders
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